Welcome to the world of NFA Suppressor - let me help you through the process.
Suppressors are rated for caliber and the pressure associated with them. Too small of a can on a large caliper and you will damage the can (ie a 22rimfire on a 300 WIN Mag - no go). Too large of a can on a small caliber and you won't get the suppression effect.
The quest of this game is to find the combination of caliber, ammo and can that gets you to hearing safe levels (less than 130-140db for firearms and impact noises). Pairing the right sub sonic ammo in the right firearm with the can and you can shoot without ear protection.
Quality cans will do one thing (suppress sound) without shifting your point of impact (POI). Cheap cans - may suppress the sound - but the engineering is typically weaker and blow by happens within the baffles and onto the round impacting the ballistics of your shot - on a 22 you can probably live with a minute or two of POI adjustment - that and you probably have that with the ammo itself. On a 300 WIN MAG or 6.5mm that you are trying to drop something at 300-400 yards - those minutes will add up and make you miss.
Some cans come with adapters (muzzle devices) (Dead Air Silencers) some don't (SilencerCo, SureFire, LLC) so there is some factoring in the pricing that we have to work thru. Some are direct thread - great if you only plan to use on single host - a time consuming pain if you plan to swap between rifles.
You're pricing on a rifle suppressor range from expensive +$1000- Surefire, Daniel Defense, Knight's Armament Company, Gemtech Silencer - to reasonable ($500-$800) Silencer Co, Griffin, Dead Air, Rugged Suppressors to Cheap Under ($300) - Rebel Silencers, Black Aces Tactical and about 10 other companies that start up a day.
Next - we factor in construction - materials of the can, the material of baffles, all welded, user serviceable - factory only serviceable etc.
Lastly - Weight and length - because a 6 oz can vs a 16oz can - makes a big deal on aiming and carrying a rifle. They both may function the same - but you might be willing to pay a little more of the lighter weight package.
How can we help? There is more - drop us a line of give us a call to help you navigate the NFA process.
We have been answering a lot of questions about NFA ( National Firearm's Act) items, the process and if they are legal.
What is legal in Wisconsin (given the proper paperwork):
It is legal to own and hunt with a suppressor (silencer)
It is legal to own a Short Barrel Rifle - barrel measured less than 16" from last fixed point to face of bolt and an overall length of less that 26"
It is legal to own a Short Barrel Shotgun - barrel measured less than 18" from last fixed point to face of bolt an an overall length of less that 26"
A Transferable machine gun made or registered before May 19, 1986
What is the process:
Find something you like and let me get you a price.
Pay for the item
Submit an ATF Form 4 - with pictures, fingerprint card and $200 for the tax stamp along with a copy of your Trust (if you have one)
Wait 7-8 months
Pickup the item from us and enjoy.
Do you need a trust?
No - but I would recommend one. A trust will allow you to legally share your items with trusted individuals (Family, very close friends, etc) without them getting a Felony weapons charge. Be careful though - whomever is on the trust has full legal ownership - so you need to choose the trustees carefully and wisely. The document can be amended in the future as your trustees change.
Don't have a trust?
We can help - we have a local (Milwaukee) based Attorney that can help you create your trust and get the process started for around $150. Have an existing trust that you need modified - he can help with that too.
Suppressors are sized for specific calibers - for discussion we will focus on three: 22LR, 45ACP and 308
22LR is typically directly threaded onto a the pistol or rifle
45ACP is a piston design and the correct piston (adapter) needs to be bought to fit the handgun that you are shooting. You can directly thread if your barrel does not cant when you shoot (1911s) but it is recommended that you have a piston style for striker fired handguns
308 rifle - these typically have a quick detach adapter that will allow your to move the can from rifle to rifle. These run from $75 to $100 per adapter but allow you to move the suppressor to multiple platforms.
What if I don't live in Wisconsin? I can't sell directly to you. But I can sell to your trust if you have a Trustee (Responsible Party) on your trust that is a Wisconsin resident.
I thought Trump was going to make Silencers legal?
There are bills in both the House and Senate to move suppressors from Type II NFA firearms to Type I firearms and to be treated much like a rifle. Don't hold your breath - the anti gun lobby is strong and the Republicans aren't exactly organized (re: ObamaCare repeal). The bills are stuck in Committee where they died in 2015. But - if they pass - the current bills read that they would refund Tax Stamps paid after Jan 9th, 2017 (one read refunds after Oct 2015) - but they haven't passed and the priorities for the NFA and gun lobby are on National Concealed Carry.
How much does it all cost?
22LR suppressors range from $100 to $500
9mm-45ACP Handgun (some work for 300BLK) - 600-1500
556/308 Rifle - $600-$2000
12g - call me
+ $200 Tax Stamp + Trust + Sales Tax
Don't know where to start? Call me.
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A friend asked me what gun they should get. They are in the market for a pistol, but not 100% sure what they are after or need.
A firearm is a tool and you must first figure out what you intend to do with it.
Firearms are an incredibly emotional and personal decision. From type of pistol to caliber to manufacturer - everyone has an opinion and a suggestion. You need to find yours. You asked for my input so here goes.
See the below JPEG for all the Caliber sizes - plenty to chose from. I will limit it to the about four from small to large. .22LR, 9mm luger, .40S&W and .45 ACP - in the below pic - #6, #22 , #18 and #29.
The picture was pulled from the internet - so thank you for whomever created it.
Style of pistol -
Much like any other tool - you get what you pay for. Can you spend more than the price ranges below - sure - but I don't know if you need it. Should you spend less - I wouldn't. You may not need Snap-On tool - but you don't want Harbor Freight or China Brand 1
Handguns fall into four categories of use:
Daily Carry $400-$600
Reliable, trustworthy, small, light and easy to conceal. Typically you will hear sub-compact or compact. Barrel sizes are 3"-4". Pending on caliber you trade round capacity - for a sub company 45 I have 5 rounds + 1 in the chamber. In 9mm that might be 8 or 9 rounds + 1. I carry a Springfield XDS in .45ACP. It is a 3.3" barrel and I can carrying in numerous locations with ease.
Home Defense $500-$700
Large capacity, accurate, natural feeling in your hand and something that you want to shoot. Think safe next to your bed, dresser drawer or somewhere safe yet reachable. We aren't concerned about hiding it - we are interested in maximum firepower and ammo counts. For me - a Springfield XD also in .45ACP ( see a theme? - one ammo in the house) It is a 4.5" barrel and holds 14 rounds.
Any full frame -
Target Shooting / plinking - $300 to $500
Large volume of shooting needs cheaper ammo. Consider the following prices for 50 round boxes (new ammo, brass casing, decent manufactures):
So for something to shoot a lot and enjoy - I would go for 22LR or 9mm and a full frame - cheaper ammo, less recoil and something that you will enjoy shooting and look forward to shooting.
I have my eyes on Walther P22 or PPQ in 22LR - maybe a Ruger SR22
Toys / screwing around $300 to $$$$$
No real practical application but a hell of a lot of fun to shoot.
For example - Walther/ IWI replica UZI in .22LR
The Rifle version w/ a fake suppressor
Toys - a lot of fun but not practical
Probably a whole lot more than you wanted.
Now what? Figure out what type of tool you are interested in. Look at the section and models above. Go to your local shop and touch/feel.
Things to look for:
Get a list of 2 or 3 that you think are right for you - then go shooting. Find a range that rents handguns or a friend that is willing to loan you the firearm.
Look for the following:
Once you shoot them - now you have the real question. Are you ready for the responsibility of owning a firearm? Safe keeping, maintenance and training.
There is a lot here - give us a call and we can work thru it with you.
This month's box arrived
Received my box from Alpha Outpost the other day.
Not gonna lie it felt light and loosly packed.
Cracked it open
A well put together instruction book and checklists
Ball cap - with hidden pocket - should have been a black logo and possibily embroiderded logo.
Slim line belt pouch with velcro closure
small multi tool and a rubberized bracelet with a handcuff key
credit card sized tool with a blade, p38 style can opener
Black elastic sleeve for a belt holder
Compact small folding blade
Black button thingy (Battle Tooth) is for the back of the cap to function as a hardened striking point.
And lastly the silvery item is the battle beetle a multi purpose striking tool - that can work as a brass knuckle or open your beer.
An interesting box - most I probably won't use but the battle beetle and the tactical pen will find a home.
The tactical pen didn't ship with the box - I emailed the guys over the weekend and The Beard got back me first thing on Monday. Stated that their supplier was late and they would ship the pens as soon as they arrived.
Overall decent box and I'll stick around for another box.
In mid March the Adjutant General of the Wisconsin National Guard updated the policy that previosuly banned Wisconsin uniformed soldiers from carrying personally owned weapons on state owned facilities. That policy was in place since 2011 and before WI passed CCW.
The policy (TAG Memo 30) authorizes Company Commanders to approve valid CCW holders that are in good standing with the military to carry a concealed personal weapon. Following the TAG memo the Deputy Adjutant General for Army published WIARNG Memo 130 which further clarifies the requirements and procedures that the Army National Guard will have to follow.
As with many things in the Army there will be paperwork, training and documention required - but it is a step in the right direction.
If you are in the Guard and would like a copy of the memos, reach out to me and I will forward.
If you are not in the Guard and are looking for more information you will need to seek out the WI Dept of Military Affairs Public Affairs Officer.
BLUF: I'm staying enrolled for another month.
I received my first package from Alpha Outpost today. It was a dense well built box and arrived as promised. I received an email from Alpha stating that it would be shipping along with a tracking number. After it was delivered I received a confirmation of delivery . Professional and organized
Under the cover page there was a packing list.
It listed all the contents and the values associated with each item in the box.
The box was well organized and neatly packed - first impression was "this is it?" but as I kept unwrapping the items are of high quality and well thought out within the theme.
Three seasoning rubs along with a recipe / reference book that is laminated or a plastic type paper.
The final inventory:
All in it was a good package. A good theme and some good gear. I plan to see what next month's theme will be and plan to stay enrolled.
We headed to the range on Monday night in order to process some ammunition into brass, shoot more MagTech ammo and to field test the Talon grip. We were joined by long time friends - he is and avid shooter, his wife had never shot a firearm before.
Talon Grip - this has been installed on Susan's handgun because after shooting more than 10 rds - her XDS was not comfortable. I am happy to report that she was impressed with the comfort of the grip. She also commented that it improved accuracy - I assume due to the firearm requiring less grip to maintain - she no longer feels that she has to squeeze it to death in order to hold onto it.
Overall - she is very happy with the grip. It stay put, looks like it belong there and she is more confident and comfortable with the firearm along with looking forward to the next round of range time.
Training - we took a novice shooter from never firing a firearm at the beginning of the night to multiple magazines of .45ACP via a sub compact. Progressing from a .22 revolver thru 9mm to 40 S&W and ending up at .45ACP autoloaders. She enjoyed the night and is looking forward to the next time in a about a month or so.
I ordered a Talon Grip for the Springfield XDS .45 ACP on Friday from Amazon for $17.99. The ruberized version. It arrived on Sunday
Simple packaging, the grip, an alcohol swap, a sticker and some instructions.
I test fitted it and it seems straight forward. Cleared the firearm, field stripped and cleaned the grip with the provided alcohol wipe.
Peeled the backing off and gently began to apply to the grip.
Pressed it down and checked the fit. Ensure that it clears the magazine release.
Next step is to heat it up with a hair dryer and firmly press all edges and surfaces down.
Reassembled and ready for the range.
Time spent - about 15 minutes.
At first it was what the hell. I paid nearly 20 bucks for a sheet of gasket material.
But - it fit perfectly and high quality manufacturing - no loose pieces and sloppy edges. The adhesive was sticky enough to hold and then seemed to melt into the grip after it was heated. To be honest it appears that it should be there. The grip is more comfortable and doesn't dig into my palm.
I'll update you after the range on shooting comfort, accuracy and durability.